I can’t think of a good Labyrinth-related poll to post right now, so for the next poll, I’m curious which upcoming fantasy film folks are most excited about. There have been so many good trailers likely, I’m more excited about going to the movies than I have been in years. Harry’s come and gone, Ponyo’s made her splash and District 9’s integrated in our imaginations. What’s the next winner? Feel free to point out any omissions you think belong there or duke it out over your choice in the comments .
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Definitely Princess and the Frog. I think we need more hand drawn kids movies, because CGI movies are everywhere and people tend to ignore hand drawn stuff when CGI is around.
That and I love fairy tales.
I am so looking forward to seeing 9 (and not just because Jennifer Connely is in it) It looks very exciting and a little away from the normal subject of Tim Burton. I saw a preview for “The Fantastic Mr. Fox” and the animation seemed a little disturbing. Some of the shown dialogue was funny, however. Saw the first open preview for “Where the Wild Things Are” when going to see Ponyo, and that looks totally awesome. New Moon, meh, I’m looking forward to sseing how they destroy my favorite of the four Twilight books. I have to say I’m most excited to see 9, but when regarding what “folks” are most excited to see, I have to say New Moon will take the glory. Sorry…
The only “folks” that matter are gobblin readers.
Aye, aye to that!
But I’m also looking forward to 9, and not just because it’s a Tim Burton film or that Jennifer Connoly is in it. But I really can’t wait for Alice. That’s going to be awesome, even if it is a sequel to the books.
I love Tim Burton but I have already seen the 9 short film that the longer film is based on. So I’m not on the edge of my seat waiting for it. Alice looks fantastic. Some films I am eager for but are not on this list are Dorian Gray (coming to theatres in the UK on September 9th) about a young man who sells his soul for eternal youth. He has a painting that ages for him and for every sin he commits the painting grows uglier and uglier. I don’t know when this comes out on the US but it looks really good. It has Ben Barnes (Prince Caspian) as Dorian. It’s based on the great novel The Picture of Dorian Gray by Oscar Wilde.
Another one I’m looking forward to is in 2011 is Dark Shadows starring Johnny Depp as Barnabas. It’s based on the sixties soap about a vampire (Barnabas Collins) and his dysfunctional family and the various supernatural monsters and creatures related to them. Werewolves, vampires, witches, ghosts, time travelers, immortals, Frankenstein style creatures, phoenixes in human form, ect…
The nineties version of Dark Shadows can be found on Hulu (Iv’e added a link). That version only had twelve parts where as the original sixties version had over 1125 episodes.
So what I’m waiting for is Dorian Gray and Dark Shadows.
Johnny Depp as Barnabas, that’s so awesome, I’m shocked I haven’t heard about this movie before, thanks for the tip……I’m looking forward to Alice and everything else Burton (9) I also want to see Avatar, both the james cameron movie and the m. night shamaylan’s version of Avatar: The Lasy Airbender…..The Princess and the Frog will hopefully be cute, harkening back to the days where they actually released 2D animated movies in the _theater_…….my friends and I have talked about Burton doing a Labyrinth remake for years as what-ifs, I think he would be perfect and I’m really surprised they haven’t remade Labyrinth before now, it’s been 23 years and given hollywoods remake obsession lately it would fit given the huge fanbase and success of the manga….
I forgot The Imaginarium of Dr. Parnassas, looks like it’s full of win, laced with it being Heath Ledger’s last movie and the other epic actors that stepped in for the role after his death, looks like it should not diappoint……hopefully
I really, really, really don’t want a remake of Labyrinth. It’s perfect as is. ‘Cept for Jareth’s rediculously tight pants, in my opinion.
I guess I’ll just wait it out.
Okay, let’s try this again…
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I love Tim Burton but I have already seen the 9 short film that the longer film is based on. So I’m not on the edge of my seat waiting for it. Alice looks fantastic. Some films I am eager for but are not on this list are Dorian Gray (coming to theatres in the UK on September 9th) about a young man who sells his soul for eternal youth. He has a painting that ages for him and for every sin he commits the painting grows uglier and uglier. I don’t know when this comes out on the US but it looks really good. It has Ben Barnes (Prince Caspian) as Dorian. It’s based on the great novel The Picture of Dorian Gray by Oscar Wilde.
Another one I’m looking forward to is in 2011 is Dark Shadows starring Johnny Depp as Barnabas. It’s based on the sixties soap about a vampire (Barnabas Collins) and his dysfunctional family and the various supernatural monsters and creatures related to them. Werewolves, vampires, witches, ghosts, time travelers, immortals, Frankenstein style creatures, phoenixes in human form, ect…
The nineties version of Dark Shadows can be found on Hulu. That version only had twelve parts where as the original sixties version had over 1125 episodes.
So what I’m waiting for is Dorian Gray and Dark Shadows.
I voted for Alice in Wonderland though.
Mandy,
I wasn’t aware of that Dorian Gray adaptation, but now I’m interested. Dark Shadows is too far away to be lumped in with this poll, but it’s definitely an adaptation I’m looking forward too.
I have always been a fan of Oscar Wilde. I love the 1945 version of The Picture of Dorian Gray and have the 1973 Dan Curtis productions version on DVD (Not to be confused with the 1970 porn version). My favourite Wilde story though is The Canterville Ghost. I hate the forties version of that one. There were NO Nazis in existence when Wilde wrote that! And I don’t feel that version of the ghost had done anything to warrent being starved to death and cursed. Patrick Stewart’s version of The Canterville Ghost from the mid-nineties was best. It was contemporized but closest to the book.
I’ve attached a small clip of the new Dorian Gray movie to this post. It’s the scene where Dorian first offers his soul for eternal youth.
Mandy, if you’re at all interested, there was a musical written by a local playwrite that premiered in the community theatre based off of Dorian Gray! A guy from either a big play or movie company came and he liked it so much, he offered them to show it down in LA to see if it could go Broadway or to the Big Screen!
So you may see it around in a few years!
Would that happen to be The Remarkable Mr. Gray? That’s on Broadway right now. I saw the trailer for it up on youtube. There have been other Dorian Gray plays on Broadway before. One called Dorian and another that modernized it with Dorian as a rock star. I forget what that one was called.
Years ago I came across the demos for a Dorian Gray musical that has Beatrice (His secondary love interest created for the film versions from 1945 and 1973) sing a very pretty song about letting go of the past. I lost those recordings when a computer died. I wish I could find them again.
Yes! Yes, that’s it! It’s on Broadway now? That’s amazing… Wait until I tell my friend Nikki–she worked backstage for the premier–she’ll be so excited!
And I’m sorry about those recordings… Have you tried getting them off of youtube? I know a site that can convert the videos into sound files.
I think I was mistaken in assuming it’s already on Broadway but here’s the trailer for the Dorian Gray musical (Remarkable Mr. Gray) from youtube.
I have looked on youtube without much success. In re-watching this trailer it might have been Step into forever from this musical that I had thought was so pretty.
The song in here based on the poem The Ballad of Reading Gaol (refrain ‘Each man kills the thing he loves’) gives me shivers and not the good kind. That poem saddens me more than words can say. It’s one of the only two poems I have ever read that can make me cry and this one hurts more than the first. The other poem that hurts to read is Poe’s Alone.
I collect rare demos. I’m not sure how or why I started to do this but I somehow have grown a collection.
Demos in my possession:
Sir Elton john’s demos for Lestat and the San Francisco promotional disc recording.
Demos for The man who fell to Earth musical by Paul Murphy.
Demos for The Canterville Ghost musical.
Danny Elfman’s Nightmare before Christmas demos.
The demos from the Buffy The Vampire Slayer musical Once more with feeling.
In regard to my looking on youtube I meant for the Dorian musical demos. And just to clarify the version coming to theatres in the UK with Ben Barnes as Dorian is NOT a musical. It’s a horror story.
Yeah, I’m aware of that. The majority of plays based off of Dorian Gray are horror stories, like the book.
There are also two versions of Plan 9 from Outer space coming out soon. In September there’s a version just called Plan 9 and in October there’s a direct to video remake called Grave Robbers from Outer Space. I’m not sure if these count as fantasy but Dorian Gray could probably have fit on that list. I love Oscar Wilde.
Oooh, another one I’m eager about is Wolfman. I love Rick Baker’s work.
It’s too bad Dorian Gray’s not coming out here in the US.
For anyone interested in Dorian Gray I have attached the youtube link to the trailer.
When the poll says “Avatar” do you mean the actual movie of that name (directed by James Cameron) or “The Last Airbender” (based off of the cartoon Avatar: The Last airbender and directed by M. Night Shyamalan)?
Avatar, James Cameron film. The Last Airbender is still too far off for me to get that excited about. I liked what I saw of the show, but I never followed it and the teaser trailer seemed kind of meh if you weren’t bringing your existing passion to the table. If I do another movie poll in 6 mos, The Last Airbender will be on it. : P
So what is Avatar supposed to be about? My dad keeps confusing Avatar for The Last Airbender, which I keeep reminding him won’t come out till next summer. It is an interesting cover.
Avatar is sorta like… Pocahontas meets Starship Troopers? Here’s the trailer:
http://www.apple.com/trailers/fox/avatar/
I had to go with Princess. Fairy Tale, Disney, 2-D animation… yes please!
Honestly, I’m not that excited about Alice in Wonderland. I’m a bit sick of Tim Burton, and sicker still of Johnny Depp. But the rest of the cast seems solid, so we’ll see. Maybe the full length trailer will pique my interest.
I liked Tim Burton and Johnny Depp long before they were trendy and long before it was trendier to be sick of them working together. I was a Burton fan since I was nine (1991) watching Beetlejuice the animated series and I loved Edward Scissorhands and Sleepy Hollow. In fact the only Tim Burton film I don’t like is his remake of Planet of the Apes. The twist ending felt like a twist just for the sake of a twist. the original twist ending had purpose and meaning. I don’t think even Tim Burton liked his version of Planet of the Apes. Also I find Danny Elfman’s scores to be beautiful and haunting.
I love Nightmare before Christmas. It has been my favourite film since I was eleven-years-old (when it came to theatres in 1993 I was just about to turn twelve). Though it was not directed by Tim Burton, Tim Burton did do a lot of the work usually reserved for the director. He wrote the poem it was based on, chose the colour schemes, designed the characters, told Danny Elfman the story bit by bit before they even had the script (that’s how they got the songs before the script). He even chose the pattern on Sally’s socks. Nightmare before Christmas has been my favourite film since I was eleven years old. You should have seen me in the early and mid nineties trying to find Nightmare before Christmas collectibles. They were rare for a long time. Then very abruptly it became trendy and fashionable. I felt like something private and personal for me had suddenly gone mainstream. And when Jack Skellington became more of a brand name than a lovable and naive character I felt somehow offended. ‘Well, at least they’re exited but they don’t understand that special kind of feeling in Christmas Land. Oh, well.’
I know, it is kinda sad… But at least it makes it that much easier to get NMBC stuff! ^^
I know. My mother (who passed away in 2006) felt that I probably wouldn’t have liked Nightmare before Christmas e so much had it been popular at the time I fell in love with it. I think she was wrong. Just because I like obscure things doesn’t mean I like things because they are obscure. I liked the haunting music of Nightmare before Christmas, the innocence and angst of the heroes, the sweetness of the love story, the art and magick of the stop motion animation, the masterful use of colour and lighting, Danny Elfman’s operatic singing. It was beautiful.
Amen to that. I like obscure things, too, but some of the most obscure things are the best things. They just need to be discovered.
And I’m sorry about your mom.
That must be hard; I just lost my Grandma and that was bad enough. I can’t imagine what I’d do if my mom went. I feel for you.
Thank you. It was very abrupt. She was diagnosed with throat cancer in June 2006 and then died in November less than a week before my twenty fifth birthday. She was only forty two. It wasn’t even the cancer that killed her. The radiation treatment lowered her immune system. Her white cell count was virtually nothing. Pneumonia got her. I was devastated.
D: I’m so sorry… +hug+
(in response to the message below) I know how you feel, I’ve still got wounds from my similar experience. My aunt passed away christmas day of last year from breast cancer which had slowly spread to her brain and was causing her immune system to disapate. Though she obviously wasn’t my mother I can’t understand that particular loss you feel. But I do know what its like to lose someone to disease.
would you hate,me if I told you I’ve lost friends whose species wasn’t
human but are my drive to want be a veterinarian
I am sorry for wasting your time
A loss of a pet is still painful, especially if they’re family. You’re not waisting anyone’s time by saying it.
I know how it feels to lose a pet. It’s happen to me several times and I cry just as hard each and every time in happens.
And Jenny C, my grandmother passed around Christmas time last year, too. She and your aunt are probably up in heaven right now chatting away.
I’ll be they’re best friends.
Thank you because here if we can’t get them to a vet in time,& if
nature can’t heal the wound or cure the disease then we’re lift one option to put them out of their misery
two of anut’s dogs&mine last year a retriever&a boxer both had cancer&had to be put down whats sad is that I found the tumor on Cristina(the retrieve)&although she had the surgery in time but mouths later I found another tumor,only this time they didn’t have money for surgery&Sahara(the boxer)had cancer so bad she looked like rolled around in toxic waste, I was there when I saw them her put down. my black lab Keisha had to be put down because she may have had Pravo
I had a dog who barely made it through Parvo as a puppy.
She had this chronic rash ever since.
I’m sorry about your dogs. My cat just got eaten by a cougar recently. D: Or at least, I’m pretty sure it did. There’s been a cougar running around near my house and cats have been disappearing all over the area. And Mazie (my cat) has been gone for almost two, three months now.
Mandy would you find it Impossible if I told that I was well aware of Batman Returns before I saw the first film?in fact the trailer for the Nightmare before Christmas was how I found he directed it.the 1st 1
gotta Respect a director who
redefined the modern perception of the superhero film genre.
I am so jealous of all of you guys right now all,
you’re all so lucky all you guys have to worry about,
when it comes to movies is getting tickets&seeing the whole film.
I’m only able to go to the theaters by plane I live in a very small village.
sorry truth be told
I don’t know if I should see 9 in Sept or Astor boy in Oct?
I’m currently in the mountains, the nearest theatre is over an hour away (and I can’t drive) and the film I want to see isn’t even opening in this country. I miss New York City. At least then it’s easy to get to a movie theatre.
At least you don’t pay $300 to $900 just to see a movie but thanks for empathy sorry but here the nearest theatre is over an hour away by plane
Ronin,
That’s too bad. Living in big cities, I sorta take for granted that I can see most any release in the theater, but the nice thing about our Netflix world is that at the end of the day, everyone has access to everything. I still remember the days of having to special order VHS tapes to support my british humour habit in the 90s.
Astro Boy is coming to the big screen!? wow,… that is oddly suprising… though I think I heard about this awhile back and doomed it to collapse…
And I’m sorry about your predicament. I live in Oklahoma, but I’m lucky enough to be in a big town where there’s about 7 movie theatres around.
There are so meny Upcoming Fantasy Films I truely don’t know were to start because I honestly would want to see every movie ever made
Alice in Wonderland!!! I LOVE Tim Burtan’s movies!!! And this one looks so good, too!!!!
hopefuly we can talk about movies that are traped in
development hell I for one would love see a film based on
Captain Planet,Galaxy High,Dragon’s Lair,Masters of the Universe,
Jonny Quest,Smurfs,Snorks,Zelda,ThunderCats,Voltron,
& I’m an Idiot xp
Alice in Wonderland,Avatar
Where the Wild Things Are, The Fantastic Mr. Fox
The Lovely Bones,Gentlemen Broncos
Zombieland,9,The Imaginarium of Dr. Parnassus
The Princess and the Frog
Man those right there are what I would vote for but the poll to this
me makes me feel useless because I might not see any of these at all
I’m very sorry, Ronin. But the good thing is, since you have internet, you can probably find them on youtube once they come out on DVD. So you’ll get to watch them eventually, right? At least, I hope you do. It’d suck to be completely deprived of the magic of the movies. :/
Do you have a place where you can buy movies on DVD where you live?
thank you, but this thing dosen’t get youtube+I have little access to internet&only the good DVD’s here are for rent & the DVD’s for sell here are movies you personally wouldn’t watch or buy for self in a million years see or buy for self.
You can’t get youtube to work? The site itself won’t come up or you tried a video adn it said ‘not available in your relgion’? because not all youtube videos are region coded. Very, very few actually are. If you have high speed internet Youtube should work.
one it takes 3 hours for this thing to load someing thats 2 mins long on youtube,
two this thing collapses & shuts down every time I go on youtube
Ah, so you are still on dial up. Surely you have some sort of high speed available there. Maybe Satelite?
There’s the public library that has high speed but its a rule never to go
youtube
That’s so screwed up. Why ban Youtube?
Why can’t you pay for your own high speed service?
cookie crumbs&viruses was pretty much there answer.
hey I find its no more screwed up then
useing promos to work like a censorship
You can’t get a virus from youtube. It’s all streaming video…
It’s owned by Google. You can’t get much cleaner than that. Your library is backward.
its a small town wear the population is made up family members by blood or marriage its a rural area
what’s really backwards is the what we have Vet. science
can’t wait to go to fairbanks so I can became a Veterinarian.
Even with a tiny town someone should break it to them how youtube works and that it’s owned by a major company. Being rural is no excuse for being stupid.
I also said they ban’ed it as form of censorship
That is completely and utterly wrong.
what’s really sad is that I’m an Otaku of the sceen being completely deprived of movies sometimes feels like I’m deprived of blood or oxygen or water thank god for the internet(^.^)
i really can’t wait to see alice in wonderland…3D IMAX >^_^<
Okay, I’m starting to feel deprived because the only movies on here I’ve even heard of on this list are Alice in Wonderland and New Moon. Alice in Wonderland is only becuase I saw the poster at the theater and New Moon, because well… I’ll admit, I’m a Twilight fan (Actually, I have heard of Princess and the Frog, but I didn’t know it was going to be a movie). So, I chose New Moon. What are all these movies even about?
The Princess and the frog is the classic faery tale retold in thirties New Orleans. It’s Disney’s first cell animated film in years.
Where the Wild Things Are is based on the children’s book about the little boy who wants to be king of the monsters. You can see the book in Sarah’s room in Labyrinth.
The Imaginarium of Dr. Parnassus is the last film to have the late Heath Ledger and it’s about a man who has this traveling carnival / circus type thing. He has a bargain going with The Devil. It’s not scary though. It’s fantasy, very surreal.
The Fantastic Mr. Fox – Not sure.
The Lovely Bones – Not sure
Zombieland – Not sure
Gentlemen Broncos – Not sure
Avatar – Barely know it exists
A Christmas Carol – The Charles Dickens classic retold with motion capture animation and Jim Carey playing most of the characters.
The one I’m looking forward to isn’t on this list. It’s Dorian Gray. See my above posts and the attached trailer for details.
The Lovely Bones is based on a book by Alice Sebold and The Fantastic Mr. Fox was a Roald Dahl book and I totally did not know til right now it was being made into a movie, holy crap.
I don’t remember that Dahl one. I like Dahl. I have The Witches, James and the Giant Peach and Charlie and the chocolate factory. The Witches film does NOT need a remake, by the way.
Yeah… I don’t really watch TV much so I don’t see these previews and I very rarely go to the theater unless a friend asks me or if there’s a movie EVERYONE in my family wants to see (That’s rare) so I didn’t know about any of this… So, thanks y’all!
If you want to keep up with trailers, almost every movie, large and small, debuts at http://www.apple.com/trailers/. That’s my go-to destination for keeping up with upcoming movies.
Man I hope we can talk about movies that are sweet nothings movies
that could never be made,truth be told I have wonderd
that if there was ever talk or actuality of such movies would are universe tear it self apart?:D I guess should wait a billion years to ask of such films ,to have hope of such talk of such actuality
besides I also wouldn’t mind if they just used the Motion comic style
I’m intrigued by Disney’s ‘The Princess and the Frog’, but quite frankly I’m not willing to place any bets.
Disney stopped making traditionally animated films because of one flop after another, and they blamed the failures of these films on the false belief that nobody wanted to watch 2D films anymore (As this was during the boom of Pixar and other 3D film studios). Just think about all the innovations that the Disney company brought to animation, all the history involved with the studio and yet they drop the very thing that made them famous in an attempt to latch on to the new “fad” of 3D animation.
Starting in the late 80’s with the Little Mermaid Disney had a revival that was due in part to the nostalgia factor of the company, as people who had grown up watching Disney films now had kids and took them to see the movies. Disney could strike a chord with it’s new film based on nostalgia, but if they haven’t learned from their mistakes regarding their last bunch of 2D films, then Princess and the Frog will be a wasted excursion.
And seeing as how their next 2D film after the Princess and the Frog is a Winne-the-Pooh movie, it seems like Disney is just using Princess to drum up some interest in the medium again so they can pump more money into old franchises.
So while I’m optimistic that Princess and the Frog will be totally awesome, I’m not going to get my hopes up.
I’m just glad they’ve started to see the light about cell animation. I heard that Tim Burton had a fit when he found out Disney was getting rid of cell animation (to only be used for television or direct to DVD releases). That’s how Tim Burton began. He was an uncredited animator for Disney with The Fox and the Hound. It was while working for Disney that he made Vincent and Frankenweenie (Soon to be remade in stop motion aniamtion). It’s also when he first wrote the poem Nightmare before Christmas. Imagine what would have happened if Tim Burton had never been a Disney animator. He wouldn’t be a gerat director and so many facets of today’s pop culture would never have come into existance.
you guys know that according to Leonard Maltin
2-D can tackle CGI any day of week,
you know based on popularity,2-D is far more favorable then CGI
also my bro was in this debate of xbox vs. the 360, he used the games as a tiebreaker his statement was that the original had better
in fact to him thats all that he cared bout the games.
It’s not as if their has to be a “winner” with 2D vs CG animation. Pixar’s offerings are amongst th best animated films around, and there have been plenty of mediocre 2D offerings. Computers and paint are just tools. It’s the artistry behind them that matters. It’s all about good storytelling.
exactly
Mandy,
I have a theory for you and your posts and why they sometimes don’t go through — when you post, you often change the link in your ID field. I think that wordpress is interpreting that as possible spam. Posting more than 2 links in the body of a post will do the same thing. Try keeping your standard URL on your ID, and as long as you post 1 link at a time, just put it in the body of your message. Hopefully that will keep you out of the spam filter.
My heart votes for “Where the Wild Things Are,” my brain, “Avatar.” Unfortunately, you’ve voted already, so I can’t vote for either
I voted for princess and the frog.. I am so excited about Disney going back to 2D! Classic animation… that’s how it should be.
I don’t want to open up a can of worms here, but I think it’s ridiculous with all the “scandals” surrounding it though. There’s people complaining about how it’s racist, there’s other people saying how it isn’t, how it’s great Disney’s making it, and then there’s all this stuff being brought up about freedom for blacks and just…. ARGHHH. Can’t we just sit back and watch an innocent KID’S movie and enjoy some good animation instead of getting all uppity about things that are past and done with?? There’s ALWAYS going to be something someone isn’t going to like…
V excited about New Moon and Alice in Wonderland. I have a feeling that New Moon’s going to be twice as good as Twilight, it’s actually looking less like an indie from the previews I’ve seen. Capital, capital….
Ugh, I’m sick and tired of the stupid racist card. It seems like everyone, whether they’re white, black, or purple, will use it whenever they can. Everyone from back when there were slaves is dead. We’re different people now; stop bringing it up. Especially about a children’s movie. It’s meant for fun and enjoyment and that’s it.
As for New Moon, meh, I’m not too excited, but I’m not unexcited, either. I’ll probably see it since my mom and sis and one of my best friends are all in love with it, but I can’t say it’s on the top of my movies-to-see list. I’d rather go see a remake of Dracula or a second Van Helsing (*drools*).
Alice in Wonderland on the other hand… *tackles Tim Burton* I LOVE YOU!!! *is carried away by security* I LOVE YOU FOREVEEERRRR!!!!!
*applause* Burn racist cards! Ah ha ha haa! Exactly, it’s like people are looking for an excuse to have problems with something. I respect their opinions, but I sure as heck don’t want to be listening to someone whine about things done and gone with while I’m trying to see an innocent movie.
That’s the problem with growing up. Have you ever re-watched a movie you haven’t seen in years? You see things differently as an adult than you do as a child, specifically you learn to identify the different levels of meaning, denotative and connotative. Denotative meaning is taken from the literal, face value, while connotative meanings are developed using cultural and historical information.
So while a child watching Princess and the Frog may only see it as another Fairytale Princess movie that happens to feature an African American cast, it’s only natural for the adults in the audience to be automatically thinking about the tumultuous history of race relations, simply because they’ve been around long enough to either experience it or have learned about it.
The problem however, are the people who consciously search for moments of supposed rascism, since they’re usually the ones who feel the need to make a big stink because they’re unable to see that the ‘racism’ may only present when you connect the dots in sometimes drawn out explanations. Anything can be racist if you think about it long enough.
But knowing Disney they’re gonna do their damndest to keep the film as squeeky clean as possible, least it be forever condemned to the Disney Vaults. Song of the South anyone?
Song of the South? :/
“Zip-a-dee-doo-dah, zip-a-dee-ay
Song of the South is a Disney movie released in 1946. It’s based on the Uncle Remus stories, and has been banned here in the states for being… less than PC…
PC? Sorry; I’m no good with this kind of lingo.
PC means politically correct. Censoring things because they might offend someone else. Poor Ray Bradbury feared this happening in his Fahrenheit 451.
Songs of the South had some blatant racism such as ‘happy slaves’ working in the fields. They tried editing and rediting it again and again to make them happy workers, ect but it’s still obvious. There were other things too such as the story of the ‘tar baby.’
You know A TV Funhouse cartoon “Journey to the Disney Vault” parodied many things related to Walt Disney and The Walt Disney Company. In the cartoon, two kids watch an “uncut” version of the “original” version of Song of the South that “Walt only played at parties” showing Uncle Remus singing the dubbed lines of Zip-a-dee-doo-dah,Actual footage from the movie was used.
Oh, and I gotta say, I’m getting a little tired of Tim Burton. It’s nothing personal, but I think he needs to learn that he can look outside his own circle of friends to cast actors in his films.
I guess I just have a beef with him continually casting his girlfriend (Helena Bonham Carter) and best buddy (Johnny Depp) in his movies. Yes, they’re good actors, and yes, he makes good movies, but I can’t help but wonder what his films would be like if he would try someone different in the role. Johnny’s been able to mold himself to every role that’s been thrown at him, but what if Burton’s just passing up opportunities to find someone that naturally fits and better suits performing the character?
A friend of mine once commented that he always casts Helena because “She’s right for the role”. I countered with “Maybe she’s right for the role because he writes the role FOR her”, and I figure the same goes for Johnny. They work well in the roles they perform because Burton likely already has them specifically in mind for the characters during production, and thus molds the characters to suit the actors (Not the other way around, like it usually is).
Oh, and according to Wikipedia he’s interested in doing a re-make of Labyrinth, with Depp as the likely replacement for Bowie. Oh. Hells. No. It’s bad enough having to deal with the rapid Jareth fans, but having to deal with rapid Johnny Depp fans? Not to mention the Nightmare Before Christmas tag-alongs that track the scent of anything vaguely related to Tim Burton…
Anyways, Burton’s Alice in Wonderland is another film I’m intrigued by, but I’m probably not going to bother seeing it. I’m sure it’ll be atleast half-way decent, but I don’t think Burton’s going to hold my interest again until he tries to shake things up with his casting decisions.
Sorry for the (Long-winded) rant, but I felt the need. I don’t mean to bash Burton (I like his movies, really), but I just can’t help but think about this kind of stuff. So if I offended any Burton fans out there then sorry (I shall await the flaming with my head held high).
I am curious about what would happen if he was givin a script of something from Asia you know like”Sun Wukong”(the Monkey King)
or “Momotarō”?
he wants to direct a remake of Labyrinth?
As far as I know, Tim Burton wanting to do Labyrinth is purely a rumour caused by his directing Alice. I know he wants to do The Wizard of Oz. Admitted Labyrinth has similarities to both of these films so it’s not a big leap to assume he’d consider Labyrinth. Burton puts a small nod to The Wizard of Oz in almost all of his films. From the witches in Nightmare before Christmas and Sally’s striped socks, to the ‘dropped a house on her sister’ joke at the dinner table in Beetlejuice and the pale grays and blues to vibrant colours trick he used in Corpse Bride.
Burton didn’t write Sweeney Todd though, nor did he write Planet of the Apes (where he met Helena). Sweeney was a Broadway musical first. The role happened to fit Helena.
It’s become trendy to complain about Burton’s casting choice but they always work. The films are always successful. If it’s not broken don’t fix it. Also I think his casting choices are only obvious because of how well known he and Johnny Depp have become. He was using Johnny Back in 1990 but no one noticed how often he was using him until the summer of 2005 because he had two films back to back. Charlie and the chocolate factory and Corpse bride.
A lot of people don’t notice it but every director has actors that they use in most of their films.
Jim Henson, for example, had Frank Oz and his own son, Brian.
People notice Tim Burton’s constant use of Johnny and Helena (Helena only became one of his regulars after the year 1999 by the way) but no one seems to notice that he used Michael Keaton three times, or Catherine O’hara twice, or Lisa Marie three times, or Paul Rubins four times, or Christopher Lee four times…
And what about Burton’s favourite composer? There are only two Tim Burton films lacking the accompaniment of Danny Elfman’s music. And that’s Ed Wood and Sweeney Todd.
I sincerely doubt Tim Burton really wants to remake Labyrinth. There are a lot of rumours buzzing around. Tim Burton is very busy right now. He has Frankenweenie in the works and Dark Shadows he has to worry about for 2011 among other films. Remember, Wiki can be updated by anyone. They really shouldn’t allow unsubstantiated rumours.
Tim Burton usually doesn’t write his own films so I’m afraid you’re mistaken about that. He does concept art for how he imagines the characters to look but most of the writing is usually done by John August or Caroline Thompson (Whom he has worked with a lot more than Johnny Depp but few realize it). Tim comes up with a handful of characters but the actual writing is usually done by one of these two people. He wrote the poem from Nightmare before Christmas but the lyrics were Danny Elfman and the script was by Caroline.
I am still a little curious about what would happen if he directed a story or something of the far east (India,Asia,Japan,China)
though I’m guessing,I shouldn’t have asked that in first place.
sorry for wasting your time m(_ _)m
Ronin, I don’t think you are wasting anyone’s time, but perhaps no one commented on your question because of an unfamiliarity with the subject? At least from my own experience and background, I am unfamiliar with far east fairytales/myths/legends so I am not sure how Tim Burton would do with directing a diffierent culture’s stories.
Mandy, it is very true some director’s and producers do have favorites they tend to cast for or look for roles that fit them in order to work with them again. Like you said, why fix what’s not broken? Unfortunately, sometimes it’s not always about the creative side of a project that makes things tick, especially in the movie industry which is highly driven by opening weekend profits and what sells to their chosen demographic. :\ However, I’m not implying that great artistry cannot be found, but I digress. I can agree with Kristi in that I would love to see some other people cast in Tim Burton’s movies. But I’m still looking forward to Alice (it’s what I voted for!).
Random thought:A Christmas Carol with most of the characters done by Jim Carrey? I’ll pass thanks.
The rest of the list I haven’t read too much about but it looks to be a busy year in the world of films.
I’m not a big fan of the “If it’s not broken” thing, atleast in an artistic sense. Where else do you find innovation but through experimentation? We’d never have had Steamboat Willie if Walt didn’t decide to shake things up a little, and look how that turned out. His decision to try and synch Sound and Animation revolutionized the animation industry, all because he went against the whole “If it’s not broken…” thing.
I’m not trying to be trendy or anything, it’d just like to see a director, known for his creativity and imagination, stretch his wings a little and try something different. And as you pointed out, it isn’t just Johnny and Helena he reuses, but a whole slew of actors and musicians.
And no one probably notices Burton’s re-usage of other actors because he didn’t make them the god father of his children (Depp), or is currently dating/has children with them (Helena). Atleast with these two it doesn’t seem like they’re being chosen for their acting abilities, but because they have such a close friendship with Burton. And is it a coincidence that Helena became one of his regulars only after he left his previous girlfriend Lisa Marie for her? And how Lisa Marie hasn’t been in one of his films since he dumped her? In fact, she hasn’t been in much since he left her…
And while I realize that Burton doesn’t write the films I’m sure that having him use the same actors over and over again atleast puts the thought into his writers heads who the roles will be played by even before they’re officially cast. He might not be physically writing the movies, but he’s definantly guiding the writers hands.
So like I said before, his re-use of actors does seem to work for him and does produce good movies, but I’d love to see him try someone different.
Tim Burton does experiment though. Until he came along stop motion was considered a dying art. He revived it. He started the resurgence of Gothic cinema.
Yes, Tim Burton uses people he’s close to in his work. So did Ed Wood and so does Stephen Spielberg and George Lucas. In example Caroline Thompson was dating Tim Burton’s friend and composer when they made Nightmare before Christmas. He still uses her but I don’t think she’s dating Danny anymore.
As for what happened with Lisa Marie, Tim Burton met Helena on the set of Planet of the Apes and they clicked. This sort of thing happens. When you see them together (particularly their mating hair styles that are plotting world domination) they are obviously made for each other. Unlike Lisa, Helena had a career long before meeting Tim Burton. She had starred in Mary Shelley’s Frankenstien and Sam Neil’s Merlin for starters and while with Burton she did Curse of the Wererabbit and the Harry Potter films.
As for trying something different, there are quite a few films without Helena and Depp that Tim Burton has made.
Beetlejuice
Beetlejuice animated series
Nightmare before Christmas (writing / producing and some directing though he didn’t give himself directing credit for that. As well as a handful of the song lyrics though again he didn’t give himself credit.)
James and the giant Peach (he produced)
Batman
Batman Returns
Batman and Robin (He produced)
Planet of the Apes (Has Helena but no Depp)
Big Fish (Has Helena but no Depp
Sweeney (Almost didn’t have Helena. She had to audition for the original composer and take voice lessons to prove herself)
Corpse Bride (supposedly took him two weeks to decide to use Helena)
He likes to use his regulars. But he’ll take breaks from them now and then. Often though he seems to regret them not being there like with Ed Wood where he didn’t use his beloved composer, Danny Elfman. Until then the only films without Danny’s compositions were Tim’s early short films Vincent and Frankenweenie. Tim Burton did not like being without Danny Elfman and it was obvious. Later Sweeney lacked Danny Elfman too but that’s because Tim was adapting a Broadway play into a film. That’s diversifying. Just ten years ago no one would have thought Tim would ever adapt a musical that wasn’t composed by Danny Elfman.
Don’t hate me for saying this Mandy, but as a moviegoer, it does seem as if Burton has become something of a “brand” as opposed to a storyteller. It’s not reusing the same actors — plenty of directors do that, and often it brings out both parties best work. It’s that his recent focus has been on doing remakes. Between Apes, Willy Wonka, Sweeny Todd, Alice and Dark Shadows, we’re seeing his fairly consistent style applied to known stories. I’ll gladly be swept away to whatever fantasy worlds Burton choses to work on, but I’d rather see him work on more original worlds again, and I’d love to see him tackle something that doesn’t feature gnarled trees and swirls and hyper-stylized fashions (as much as I love his signature look), because the last time he really left his comfort zone (Ed Wood), he made something great.
I don’t hate you for it in the least, Jake. I’ve noticed it. I’m not blind to it. Tim Burton has become a brand name. As I mentioned above it bothered me that I grew up with Nightmare before Christmas. I was eleven when it came out. I was obsessed with it. By the mid-nineties the toys were rare and I was teased for listening to the soundtrack in public (which I had memorized). But just ten years later and suddenly it’s trendy and fashionable! And Jack Skellington isn’t this sweet, naive character with an operatic voice but now a brand name! It bothers me. I love Nightmare before Christmas but now it’s a fashion. The meaning and art seems lost.
I loathed Tim Burton’s remake of Planet of the Apes. I don’t think even he likes it. It has no meaning. The twist ending has lost all purpose. It’s now a twist for the sake of twist when the old twist had a purpose and message.
Though Sweeney is a remake it’s the first major motion picture adaptation of the play. The last video release of that version was a filmed play production with Angela Lansbury as Mrs. Lovett.
There’s actually a noble reason behind the Dark Shadows remake. Dan Curtis (the creator of Dark Shadows) passed away in 2006 and in a final interview he had said he wished to see a major motion picture of Dark Shadows. It was a dream that someone like Johnny Depp should play him. Johnny Depp got wind of this and has offered to pay for the production of the new Dark Shadows movie. It’s Depp who asked Tim Burton to direct this one. It’s usually Burton asking for Depp but Depp asked for Burton this time. Depp won’t just play Barnabas. He’s producing it. He wants to grant Dan Crutis’s wish.
Tim Burton is remaking one of his own films (Before Dark Shadows). He’s doing an animated musical version of Frankenweenie.
I’ll admit I’m growing bored with remakes too but Dark Shadows is an exception because of Dan Curtis’ last wish. I know it’s not just publicity claiming Dan wanted this. He had been dreaming of a major Dark Shadows movie since 2004 (when they did a pilot for yet another attempted remake of the show but no one picked it up).
Unrelated to Burton but still a remake, I’m looking forward to Dorian Gray because there hasn’t been a truly good Picture of Dorian Gray movie in a long, long time. And this version has a truly Victorian Gothic, almost other-worldly and surreal quality that I can appreciate.
Re: Alice
I’ve heard rumors that Burton’s Alice is not a direct adaptation of the book. In fact, I’ve heard she’s older and falls into Wonderland after running away from an arranged marriage.
I have also heard that she and the Mad Hatter fall in love, which would be another reason to cast someone like Depp (who seems to make every weird role he plays slightly attractive).
Of course, I think I heard all of this on DeviantArt, which is one giant Ship of Shippers. Has anyone else heard this?
I have heard similar rumours about Alice, that this is really a sequel to both Alice’s adventures in Wonderland and Through the Looking glass. By the way, they did an Alice / Lewis Carroll plot two weeks ago on Warehouse 13 on the Syphilis… I mean Syfy channel. (I loathe the name change).
I actually got a hold of the script to the new Alice on a PDF file months but I haven’t really worked up the nerve to read it. I don’t know why.
though I may see 9,I really wanna see Astro boy because I’ve miss
so many. films that an Otaku would sell their arms or their kidneys just to see in theatres& I still am hopeing to take my bro to see the Avatar movie as a brithday present because then we both might get to go to Anchorage.
I’m thinking about giving my extra labyrinth DVD to my Media Lite
teacher,
truthfully I’ve already given him my extra of R2L vol.1
WHY?! Why the heck would you do that? D:
Because here he taught me about film, when I was in his class I got to watch Cry Freedom,the Last Emperor, both James Dean films,Wuthering Heights,Grumpy Old Men,the Terminal,The Lion King,Romeo+Juliet,he taught me about Themes,Symbolism,Characters, plus I have 3 copies of same movie & I had an extra copy of vol.1,
I think I wanna give him the DVD because I know he would use it teach his class about puppeteering in American film history,
hey the only film Genres he has for teaching are Drama,Comedy, &barely any Animation,&no Sci-Fi,Giant Monster,or Fantasy for teaching
Augh, sorry; I missed the whole “extra” part. That changes things. ^^;;
truthfully I am gonna watch the copy,
before I give it to him for teaching film.
Where the Wild Things are is my #1, followed by Alice in Wonderland, in a close #2 position. I saw the trailer for A Christmas Carol—at Inglourious Basterds of all places!—and it actually looks quite fun. The Avatar trailer also played at Inglourious Basterds and it looks like CGI bukkake (pardon my French). I will rent 9; am excited about the voices! New Moon, I’ll probably see in theaters because so many of my friends are Twihards. I read the series and found it poorly written and trite, but Taylor Lautner is a stone-cold fox.
a little hopeing to see 2012
I’m just gonna come out&say it “Howard the Duck”anyone?
Omg-my husband introduced me to that film because I fell in love with the actress from ‘Caroline in the City’. I was just gobsmacked by the whole film; it’s been a few years, but I think I liked it.
from what I got from the trailer of “Where the Wild Things Are”
it’s little like Caroline where the character Max is drifting in&out of both
worlds, but what I’m guessing is that (a problem facing him that day, then going into their world, finding residents of that world facing a similar crisis. At the end of [I'm still guessing]
he’ll return to the real world with a solution to his problem)
you know he would then know how to deal with it.
[still guessing]
Speaking of movies… Just saw the Time Traveler’s Wife today with my mom… Goodness, that movie made me cry. It was good though… But I didn’t care for the guy’s acting. Could have picked a better guy for the part.
Anyway, is the Time Traveler’s Wife a fantasy or a romance film? I can’t figure it out. ^^;
I LOVED that movie. I almost cried, came close in a few spots, but I never really did. Good movie, very similar to The Case of Benjamin Button. I liked the actor, but it would have been interesting to see what someone else had done with the part.
I think it’s most based on romance, with the whole ISSUE being the time-traveling situation. The theme is mostly about them trying to have a functioning relationship while he’s constantly pulled away and zipping places past his control.
Definitely 9, I am more excited for that than can be put into words. Where the Wild Things Are looks pretty good, I’ll only have an opinion on it after I’ve seen it, same with Cloudy With A Chance of Meatballs. The Fantastic Mr. Fox looks different and I am interested in seeing it. Princess and the Frog=definite yes, I’ve missed the traditional 2D animation. A Christmas Carol starring Jim Carrey looks worth seeing. Sherlock Holmes, while it isn’t exactly a fantasy film, is still something I look forward to.
And of course, next year we have Tim Burton’s long-anticipated Alice In Wonderland. Should be a pretty exciting 5-6 months of movies!
I was looking forward to the new Sherlock Holmes film, but I’ve heard it being compared to a “James Bond-style action flick”, so I’ve sorta lost interest. Sherlock has never screamed action for me, more suspenseful if anything, but I guess I’ll have to wait for the film to come out before I start saying anything for certain.
I haven’t heard much about the Fantastic Mr. Fox movie, but what I have heard looks interesting so that’s another one I might go and see, but Cloudy with a Chance of Meatballs is one that I’ll probably avoid. The storyline seems pretty flat, with not a lot of room to grow and expand, a trait shared by a lot of movies based off children’s books (Horton Hears a Who…Ugh). Plus the big googley-eyed people are off-putting and a little boring/generic looking to me (Bleck, I’m such an animation snob).
If Sherlock Holmes was just James Bond Style, I’d be all for it — I love the direction of the latest Bond films, and have enjoyed most of the films in the context of their time. Going by the Holmes trailer, though, it reminds one more of Wild Wild West or Avengers or possibly Goldeneye, which while a great Bond film for the 90s, is a little outdated now. I don’t know… I want to love it, but the combination of quirky cool with period trappings in the Holmes trailer really didn’t ring true for me. But then, it’s just a trailer. I’ll still give Ritchie & Downey Jr. a chance in full.
As for the Fantastic Mr. Fox, I hadn’t heard anything about it during development, but now that it appeared, it is VERY much in the Wes Anderson tradition, which is a a mixed bag for me — I hold the Royal Tennenbaums as THE defining film of the decade, and I love it to death, but like Tim Burton, Anderson has quickly become a “brand” whose style has supplanted his storytelling in recent efforts.
Yeah, The Fantastic Mr. Fox kind of came out of no where for everyone I think. The trailer of it was played before Hayao Miyazaki’s latest film Ponyo. It looks worth seeing anyway.
Anyone going to see 9 tomorrow? I’m stuck at college with no car and therefore cannot attend, but if you do please let me know how it is!
not to complaint, but I feel that all of you care more about “Alice in Wonderland”
then any other movie coming up?
you know like 5 years ago I had this question\idea
of what could happen if Burton worked on a movie
with a Japanese director at the time I thought of
Miyazaki
but I think Masashi Ikeda would make a little more
sense because aside from his fav movie being the
“The Castle of Cagliostro” he loves Tim Burton’s films
kept in mind that this is a question\idea?
sometimes I only look up shows or movies to shield myself from
dissapointment by knowing how it ends before I buy it
I come to feel that I could feel less stupid or disappointed by knowing
what I’m getting into
I thought going out on the premiere night of Jennifer’s Body was going to be great but the fact that I’m going on the premiere night of the movie Surrogates is better because I know that there will be a preview for the Ghost in the Shell movie.
care to ask how I know there will be a trailer for Ghost in the Shell movie?
Reading scripts ahead of time is no fun! If I thought it was fun, I’d let you guys read RTL volume 4 now!
Sometimes I like to read scripts a head of time to see how drastically the finished version gets changed. I have the original libretto for the Lestat musical and I have to say it’s far superior to what was staged in New York. I also have the Warehouse 13 original pilot script which is VERY different from what finally aired. A well written script can also provide insight into characters that sometimes isn’t translated well with the finished project. Or sometimes the film or play far exceed what’s written in the original script. Sleepy Hollow’s script is by far more fun to watch than read.
In print I have the scripts for
Pirates of the Caribbean (First one only)
Edward scissorhands
Sleepy Hollow
Buffy The vampire Slayer musical: Once more with feeling
Lestat musical libretto (with lyrics)
Interview with the vampire
The Man who fell to Earth
Velvet Goldmine
Bram Stoker’s Dracula
As PDF Files I have Warehouse 13 original pilot script and the new Alice in Wonderland (though I can’t quite bring myself to read it).
So, in short, I really wouldn’t mind it if you leant a few Labyrinth fans and myself that Volume 4 script.
I think reading scripts is kinda fun… *cough*
lol